Sherrif’s nephew claims Travis Walton Hoax well known?

The folloing rant was sent to me to discredit Waltons character. I present it unedited. I didn't write this. 



"Let those without sin cast the first stone" JC.
The Accusation:
"Ok all of you alien freaks I hate to ruin your dreams but here is the truth about Travis Walton, I am from Snowflake Az ( which is were Travis Walton is from) and I gradated with his oldest child ( who's name is Clifton and his cousin Donavan graduated in are same class, just trying to prove my point that I did, it was the class of 1996) my great uncle is Sank Flake who was the county Sheriff at the time of the abduction, Travis Walton and Mike Rogers worked together for a couple of years in the white Mountains cutting lumber down for the paper mills, IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE TO ALL RESIDANTS OF YOUNG ARIZONA WHICH IS WHERE TRAVIS WAS APPERANTLY ABDUCTED THAT THE AIR FORCE DID ALOT OF TEST MANUVERS THROUGH THE MOUNTAINS FOR TRAINING, for us who have been camping in the white mountains for most of are lives, on a rare occasion the forest ranger will come and say to campers that there will be helicopters and other stuff flying through the air during the night please do not be alarmed and if you get spot lighted it will only be for a second, here is my point, Mike and Travis were way behind on contracts so they hired a few extra hands, which took them over there budget, one of them was a well known acid freak from Concho Az which is about 5 miles outside of Snowflake, ( his name is Dallas) my uncle arrested Dallas on drug charges he was on bail when he was hired by Mike Rogers to work, THE DAY THAT TRAVIS WALTON WAS ABDUCTED IS THE SAME DAY THAT THE AIRFORCE WAS DOING TRAINING IN THE WHITE MOUNTAINS, yes Travis got out of the truck and looked up in the sky at the weird lights that were above him and yes a spot light came all around him, and Mike Rogers drove off and left him and the spot light came on the truck which scared all the men in the truck, the spot light was only on them for a second, Mike drove to the diner which was twelve miles down the road called the red robin inn diner, MIKE WAS THE ONLY PERSON WHO WENT BACK TO PICK-UP TRAVIS FROM THE SPOT WHERE HE FOUND TRAVIS WHO WAS PASSED OUT FROM DRINKING AFTER THEY GOT DONE WITH WORK THAT DAY,they were going to lose there contracts in a couple days which was going to bankrup Travis and Mikes business. The guys who stayed at the diner told all the patrons that they saw weird lights and it chased them and they said that Travis got out and what had happened, all those guys had friends come pick them up at the diner except one, Dallas, Dallas started to hitch hike down the road and was picked up by one Mike Rogers, Dallas had told Mike what all the guys were saying in the inn and that the patrons were asking alot about the lights around the truck and around Travis, they told the patrons that they were being attacked by UFO'S, TRAVIS WALTON WAS AT DALLAS'S HOUSE IN CONCHO ARIZONA FOR FIVE DAYS GETTING HIGH OFF HIS ASS, Travis Walton will tell you in his book " The Walton Expirience " that he passed a lie ditector test twice and so did all of his co-workers, what he doesn't say in there are the questions that were asked to him and his co-workers, my uncle saw the questions that were being asked, like did you see lights in the sky, did a light come upon you, did a light follow you in the truck, those are the questions that were aske to Travis Walton and his co-workers so he wasn't lying about what he was saying, something else Travis Walton does not tell you in his book is how Dallas was sent to jail 1 month after the apperent abduction for three years for failing a drug test and selling drugs, and he also fails to mention how the lumber contracts were payed off and new contracts were made, Hmmm ironic, now alot you may say how do I know that Travis walton was at Dallas house, I dont know, but when Travis was found in Heber Az and after he got out of the hospital his sister and Mike and his wife were riding in the police car with my Uncle they were going to pick up Dallas to go to the town hall in snowflake to talk with all these people my Uncle asked Travis if he new where Dallas lived in Concho, Travis said no, as they were turning on the road to Dallas house my uncle accidentally turned down the wrong road, and Travis told him that he needed to actually turn down the next road, my uncle said I thought you didn't know where he lived, and Travis response was that he had heard Dallas telling Mike how to get to his house, wow if I got abducted by aliens and there was alot of attention on me at that time in my life I just dont know if I could tell you an exact road to go on if I had never been there before and I heard it in second conversation. And here is my proof about the whole thing, when my Uncle Sank was retired he told my Uncles and my dad that they new Travis was in Concho after the fact but there was alot of man power spent on trying to find him for the week he was gone and there was alot of money being brought into the community about the whole ordeal so they just let it be, and Travis has made alot of money on his ordeal, but trust me people his Family went through hell from critism from the town folk and his poor son Clifton was made fun of ruthlessly throughtout school, which I new clifton and I liked him, but he new who my uncle was and my uncle was actually the James Gardner person in the movie, and my uncle always was critical of Travis, so I could tell clifton didnt like my uncle. But I apologize for the post being so long it was the only way I could say everything, and yes everybody in Snowflake will tell you the exact same story I said, that is why Travis never does interviews in Snowflake he does not want the reporters to ask questions to anybody who was around at that time, so go ahead and start attacking my claim and I promise I will give you an answer to every question.

P.S. Sorry Clifton"

The written accusation above came to me via a YouTube presentation "Travis Walton at the International UFO Congress" 2010 I put up. The statements above are nothing but a rehash of accusations leveled at Walton for a number of years. To prove this I refer to a two part post I published in April 2007 "Travis Walton: The Hoax That wasn't ", and I quote:
"Debunkers' Concerns:
1. The young man, Travis Walton, had a expunged record (burglary) so Mr. No Klass mentioned the record in his book, but didn't mention how he came by this fact. Of course, this should have been a plus to Walton's character, since he did get the conviction wiped off the record by doing what was right, but Klass didn't represent it that way in the book. Travis had revealed his youthful offence in the primary examination after the UFO incident.
2. Mr. Klass had valid data which indicated that certain information had been withheld intentionally by APRO (Aerial Phenomena Research Organization) which was based in Tucson, Arizona. (Travis Watson failed his first polygraph test administered by an expert with 10 years experience, hired by APRO).
3. Travis took a second Polygraph test (two months later) and he passed, but Klass pointed out the examiners only had 2 years experience and was instructed what questions to ask.
4. The motive given for the hoax by the debunkers and others is: Mike Rogers, owner of the business for nine years," had grossly underestimated the magnitude of the job and could not complete it on time" This would result in payment held up till spring unless he could prove an act of God –which this was.
Also about the area:
"By the way, just a note, under the freedom of information act documents were de-classified to indicate activity by UFOs in and around the areas at that time:

"DOD, USAF, and CIA document reveal that during October, November, and December of 1975, reliable military personnel repeatedly sighted unconventional aerial objects in the vicinity of nuclear-weapons storage areas, aircraft alert areas and nuclear-missile control facilities at Loring Air Force Base, Maine; Wurtsmith AFB Michigan; Malstrom AFB, Montana; Minot AFB, North Dakota…"

http://www.cohenufo.org/Gilson_Wltn%20Ltr%20to%20Black.htm

I know this person once to believe his uncle but the idea of helicopters and jet maneuvers being mistaken for what Seven witnesses testified about is ridicules. We all know that police do not like to be wrong and they will many times continue to peruse their first line of thinking on a case right or wrong. The truth is how many cops would believe someone who has committed a crime about something like this. The other accusation his great uncle makes is not news at all, it is the same accusations we've had from the beginning. But think about this if it was a hoax? Walton had to had to have planned it when he was hit by the "beam". When that "spotlight" hit him he acted as if he was knocked back and unconscious. So what are we to think… Travis Walton is the Robert De Nero of UFO land…wow what adlibbing? It was also very nice that the "helicopter" cooperated in this hoax by shining a spotlight in front of the other witnesses.
Travis Walton was convicted of burglary when he was younger many. I wouldn't expect the townspeople to put much trust in Travis Walton. He was a trouble make, however he had his record expunged before this, and that is never mentioned.. You can't attack the evidence by attacking the character. The National Inquirer was there and here is Jeff Wales the reporter from the inquirer described the meeting their first meeting with Travis:
"Jeff Wales, upon seeing Travis's brother for the first time reported "The cowboy (Travis Watson's brother Duane) was no disappointment. He was one of the meanest and toughest-looking men I've ever seen - in his late twenties, a rodeo professional and amateur light-heavyweight fighter, a total abstainer, broad-shouldered, T-shirt packed with muscle, chiseled-down hips, bow legged, eyes full of nails, tense, unpredictable."
"Nobody is going to laugh at my brother," he told Wales.Wales replied… "we would hide them away and pay the kid a grand to tell his story"
"To our relief the cowboy agreed - but not, he said, because of the money, because his brother had a true story to tell which would enlighten the world".
"Our first sight of the kid (Travis) was at dinner in the hotel dining room that night. It was a shock. He sat there mute, pale, twitching like a cornered animal. He was either a brilliant actor or he was in serious funk about something".
Polygraph Test:
Question: What would happen to a person emotionally who had actually been taken aboard a ship by horrible looking aliens?
"The "National Inquirer", investigated the story, found Travis to be so upset it necessitated flying in a husband-and-wife team of psychiatrists from Colorado to tranquilize the kid (Travis) and keep the cowboy (his brother) from exploding.
Jeff Wells reported "The kid was a wreck and it was all the psychiatrist could do to get him ready for the lie-detector expert we had lined up.
The test lasted an hour and I was in the next room fending off the TV crew when I heard the cowboy scream: "I'll kill the son of a bitch!"
"The kid had failed the test miserably. The polygraph man said it was the plainest case of lying he'd seen in 20 years but the office (The National Enquirer) was yelling for another expert and a different result.
To head that off we had the psychiatrist put the cowboy and the kid through a long session of analysis.
Their methods were unique. The next day the four of them disappeared into a room and soon a waiter was headed there with two bottles of cognac.
At the end of it the psychiatrists were rolling drunk but they had their story and the brothers were crestfallen.
It seemed that the kid's father, who had deserted them as a child, had been a spaceship fanatic and all his life the kid had wanted to ride in a spacecraft.
He had seen something out there in the woods, some kind of an eerie light which had triggered a powerful hallucination which might recur at any time. There was no question of any kidnap by any mushroom men."
Travis Walton told a story of strange unemotional beings nothing like what his father and family believed. Would you take someone who this happen to him and get a great polygraph test while they were still in shock? "
And what of the final skeptics test:
"The following report on the final polygraph examination of Travis Walton, Mike Rogers and Allan was actually sponsored by a skeptic, Jerry Black. The test was performed with the latest state of the art equipment, by Cy Gilson, the most highly respected polygraph expert".
The relevant questions asked during the polygraph test, and the answers given, are reproduced here:
http://www.ufocasebook.com/walton_gilson.html


A comment by the Cy Gilson examiner niece:
Cy Gilson was my uncle, and his professionalism and his skill as a polygraph expert are perhaps unmatched amongst his peers in the field of polygraphy as a forensic tool.

we discussed this Travis Walton and crew test, and back then, Cy told me that he was more or less forced to rethink the "humans are the sole form of intelligent life in the universe" concept, something most Catholics cannot handle admitting too very readily or freely.

I support his conclusion that the men told the truth, and I think that the absurdity of assuming 'human' life is the only 'intelligent life' in the Universe, speaks for itself.

It wouldn't surprise me if life elsewhere has since marked the Earth a; "no visit zone, no intelligent life there" based on the insipid propensity for humans to kill everything they cannot understand or comprehend.
The evidence of who Travis Walton is confronts the skeptics even now his continuing life after this incident. without any crime since is a testament to how powerful this experience can be.
http://ufomedia.blogspot.com/2007/04/travis-walton-hoax-that-wasnt.html

http://ufomedia.blogspot.com/2007/04/travis-walton-hoax-that-wasnt_08.html
Joseph Capp
UFO Media Matters
Non-Commercial Blog


Clips Of Travis's 210 Presentation;



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UFOs: Commercializing the Product

"It is the love of money that is the route to all evil" J. C.

"We sing about beauty and we sing about truth at ten thousand dollars a show" Dr. Hook

Nothing has been more a blessing and a curse to the UFO cause than commercialism. If it wasn't for commercialism in the early days of the UFO phenomenon there would have been very little public information on the UFO reports. The only way to get the message out was through publication. Believe it or not in the very early days comics were used to highlight interesting UFO reports. I don't know how it is now, but in the middle of the comics there would always be a two page post on different subjects; many times it was a UFO report. Late, TV jumped in especially after a UFO buzzed Washington DC and It was plastered all over the east coast newspapers. Occasional news shows would highlight the UFO subject. However, over the long term, the continuing publication of books and research made the difference.

Just to note here, it was the UFO witnesses that kept the UFO subject alive, but it was the honest UFO investigators that disseminated the details of what really transpired.

Then the UFO community started to have group meetings where UFOs subjects were discussed and where the writers could present their evidence and interact with the people who had experiences. One old timer claimed to me that they always saw men in dark suits with glasses at these meetings. Today, we have large conferences like the" International UFO Congress" and smaller, less expensive conferences, like MUFON PA. Most of the conferences pay a salary to the speakers with deals to sell their books. The old timers like Stanton Friedman received about 500 dollars plus expenses . I think Richard Dolan and others also try to work with the conferences.

I called up John Ventre, director of MUFON in PA, who runs that conferences. He told me one of the biggest headaches is renting space. He informed me some conference organizers charge a hefty fee knowing not many will come; why? So they don't have to put out for a larger space and they can still make money. John rents a larger space but he charges much less to attend. The prices to attend these American conferences can run 25 dollars a day to upwards of a thousand dollars with hotel included for the span of the conference. Many young people can't afford to attend the large conferences. At the MUFON PA conference with their low price I saw more young people than at any other UFO conference I have attended. The PA MUFON conference, as inexpensive as it is, is a two day affair, still I noticed these young people could only afford the first day. The conference was also attended by the old timers so it's always a success. We need more people like John Ventre out there.

This Years PA Conference Information:

http://www.mainlinemufon.com/Main_Line_Mufon/Oct._9th_2010_Conference.html

The conferences are packed with merchandise. The MUFON International conferences are no different but at that those conferences you can buy exclusive MUFON material like caps and shirts and the expensive MUFON field manual which can cost about 45 dollars. Think about this, you have to put out 45 bucks plus join MUFON, which costs money, to read and pass their test to be a MUFON investigator so you can give your time for free. Wouldn't it be better to Xerox the test and charge just enough for paper and time. Maybe more young people could then afford it to take it.

I also asked John about financial records of MUFON and he said as far as he knows they are not public. I think that should change; we need to see where the money goes. I think John would be a great MUFON International Director. He has proven time and time again that he puts the subject matter way above personal gain. He brings a balance of intelligence, and empathy for the UFO witness- so sorely missed in the hierarchy of MUFON. He said he is interested in joining the board of directors of MUFON. I hope someday MUFON realizes what a special person he is. He told me he does the conferences so with the small profit he can buy equipment for UFO investigations.

The phase "money corrupts" is not to be taken lightly in this field. Dr. Steven Greer and is a good case in point. It could be argued that in the beginning he altruistic motives but now they may be in it just to earn a living. We know the serious researcher needs money to carry on their research I certainly don't hold anything against them for that.

Some of the UFO/New Age books sold at these conferences have no evidence at all to back them up. They are usually personal "spiritual" experiences which these so spiritual people duly charge for. Do you think Jesus would demand money for his a copy of Sermon on the Mount? I don't see any reports of ETs charging their "contactees" or "experiencers" money for their involvement. Why should they charge us for the information they claim ETs want them to put out there. There are crystals, and "magnetic healing" contraptions sold for thousands of dollars at these conferences. Many people who go to the conferences have real health problems and have had real mystical experiences. Their experiences are just fodder for these unscrupulous people. Also, it seems that when you go to the large conferences there is always a speaker who makes sensational announcements with the phase "the presenter will reveal for the first time…" and yada, yada yada. When you make money off an altruistic subject like UFOs you are automatically subject to charges of corruption. You can be Edger Mitchell and walked on the moon and people will think you are doing it for money. So all this hurts credibility.

Now we have a great deal of the media using the UFO and paranormal phenomenon to get ratings. But we all know there is no dedication to the UFO subject beyond the bottom line. However, there is money in these TV shows for top notch investigations which just wouldn't be there for the UFO investigator.

Most of the books coming out are more about the past than what is happening now. This is unfortunate since there is so much UFO related reports happening around the world. But the expense involved in doing something like traveling to foreign countries and investigating UFO reports is prohibitive at best.

The most important thing to happen to UFOs, in the history of UFOs, is the internet. From the very beginning there were UFO newsgroups and paranormal newsgroups. UFOs are one of the top subjects on the internet. There you can put everything up free or you can charge. One of the temptations in doing that is UFO popularity. You can get a great deal of hits if you use term the word " UFO" and sensationalize it. We all saw this clearly with the China UFO airport report. All types of photos and video were circulated as the China UFO. I was fooled myself at first.

There are great commercial sites that I think need the money to survive and hope they continue. The Anomalist is a prime example. There is a chance for many on the internet to stop making money and to help this subject for free. It is very tempting to get hits and be offered money but stop trying to get hits and to try to enlighten people to the facts and the human side to the story. Yes, you will not get the hits of the professional money machine but you will sleep better at night knowing what you're doing is right.

Make no mistake about the seriousness of the UFO subject. It is a fact that the most difficult to explain UFO reports are the most detailed reports. These reports are given by impeccable witnesses with evidence to back them up. Many of these unexplained, rather long in duration, detailed reports, were of advanced craft doing impossible things… not lights in the sky. So there was strong evidence from the very start that some UFO sightings were of advanced craft, craft designed, built and flown by some intelligence. Think about that for a second flying machines have been a theme throughout most of UFOs' reporting history. With that in mind UFO/ET proof would be the most momentous subjects to ever hit humankind. With the world torn apart as it is, that reality may be humanity's only hope of ever being united.

As far as commercialization of UFOs goes- do we have to make a buck off of everything?

Joseph Capp
UFO Media Matters
Non-Commercial Blog

UFO Gullibility

"Don't follow leaders watch you parking meters" Dylan

So how many conspiracies do you believe in? Do you believe in the "Jewish Conspiracy", the "Black Conspiracy", "The White Conspiracy", "Illuminae Conspiracy" , "Gay Conspiracy", "Hollywood Conspiracy", "Liberal Conspiracy", "Right Wing Conspiracy "CIA Conspiracy, FBI Conspiracy, NSA Conspiracy, "Military Industrial Complex Conspiracy", "Government ET/ UFO Conspiracy" " Government Energy Conspiracy" "Socialist Conspiracy", "Museum Conspiracy", "Communist Conspiracy", "American Conspiracy"… Do you believe some, or all?

We all know it so why don't we admit it honestly. We have a group of people in the UFO community that will believe anything that is put in front of them regarding UFOs. Every day on Jeff Rinse and even on Linda Milton Howe we have a new government conspiracy presented by "whistleblowers" on ETs. I think I've counted sixty five different deep black projects claimed by different people supposedly inside our government. I have sat at conferences where the subject matter made me cringe. From " Bush is a reptilian" to every conspiracy theory possible carried out by our government. For me it is not worth my time. I ask any reasonably minded person one question: If your life depended on the evidence presented would you like to be judged , guilty or innocent, with the same quality of evidence used to prove these conspiracies? I certainly wouldn't.

I don't believe our government is full of monsters as the majority of the UFO community seems to accept without question. The idea presented by these people does demonize the government and I resent it. The Roswell conspiracy is used a great deal. We know by now the government probably was involved in the cover-up at Roswell. There is truth to the idea that some of the people were threatened in a way that makes you wonder: What country are we living in? However there is no evidence that our government carried out horrendous horrors on our citizens in the name of Roswell. In fact what they tried to do at first was right.

Now, I don't expect those who never lived through the fifties to understand this but for the first time America could have been completely destroyed. A weapon had been devised by us which fitted perfectly the famous quote of Swami Vivekananda ; America had become the "destroyer of worlds" . The American government knew it was only a matter of time when the Russians would have the bomb and were listening (Mogul) at the time of the Roswell crash.

We lived, as Americans, constantly with the atomic bomb fear. It didn't rule our lives but it was always there. We practiced it shelter drills in school in the basements. We watched on our TV sets as larger and larger bombs were exploded. Even before 1947 the Army knew that more powerful bombs were very achievable. Teller wanted to scrap the atomic bomb and go straight to making a hydrogen bomb during the Manhattan Project. The other scientists knew this was feasible, but what they didn't know was how destructive it could be. The scientists erred on the side of caution.

This was the world we were in when the spaceship was found. No matter what technology was found it had a potential even beyond the H-Bomb, a potential for safety, even from the A-Bomb. The military did what they thought was necessary for the security of the United States. It wasn't an evil government that did this; it was a responsible government.

But now, what do we have being put out there as genuine UFO conspiracies? Well, they generally claim the same thing: ETs and humans have conspired to do all types of ungodly things. One conspiracy claims the government has been taken over by Reptilians pretending to be humans. Let us not forget the government disguising themselves as ETs and abducting people, mutilating cows and killing people so they can justify a war with ETs. Does any of this even make sense? Like, why would our government need an excuse to start a war with these ETs? Most of the world would be suspicious anyway. These Reptilians who take over the government copying human people, are revealed when their eyes go dark like some vampires. You would think that a species which could disguise themselves as humans would have fixed that little problem a long time ago.

The bigger question with me is why do people think there are so many sociopaths that work for the government? Yes, during the cold war some horrible decision were made, and corrected I might add, but we were in a state of survival and to be wrong may have meant annihilation. Our government was not run by psychotics. The books surrounding these conspiracies will link to all kinds of documentation but they never really make a case. Human nature dictates most of these conspiracies just wouldn't work. Most conspiracies die from within or are exposed by people with consciences. The whistle blowers presented inside the UFO community are usually lacking on solid proof; what they do present is a great deal of innuendo.

I was born a Catholic, I supported JFK but there was a great deal of charges leveled against Kennedy being a Catholic. The Catholic Conspiracy as it went was that Kennedy would obey the Pope even if it meant hurting America security. The implication was that somehow because we were Catholic, we were automatons when it came to making a judgment. However, the truth be told, most Catholics' day to day activity was far removed from church teachings. The Catholic Church was part of an identity- not a way of life. If I had a dollar for every Catholic friend of mine who used a condom, I'd be rich. This is why conspiracies always break down, on the human level.

What is the harm? Well, it dilutes the real story and the witnesses who basically are honest and can produce evidence. It throws a cloud over everything that is done or spoken regarding UFOs. Many people become convinced the end is near or whole groups of people can't be trusted. Racism lifts it ugly head in some of these conspiracies as you can easily see on Jeff Rinse.

I know a lot of people in UFO land are going to dislike what I've written. But being a avid reader on this subject for 40 years my suggestion for new and old timers alike in the UFO community is to stop chasing conspiracies. If they are false, yo'veu wasted a whole lot of time and if half of them are real, you can't do a damn thing about it.

Joe Capp
UFO Media Matters
Non-Commercial Blog

UFO Witness: In His Own Words

What happens when a person has consistent UFO sightings and videos them? What happens when that person tries to put up what they saw on You Tube? Does the tyranny of skepticism come into play and will he be attacked on all sides? Finally, what happens when that someone asks others to come see and film what he sees?

Well, the answer to the last question is, not one UFO organization did anything.

Why, because we all know this UFO You Tube stuff is all BS, right? You Tube videos seem to get UFOs organizational attention when they are attached to a larger story or when they are sensationalized. I guess the thinking goes: Most individuals are guilty of hoaxes and not worthy of examination. This has got to change. You Tube is a wonderful UFO resource. Videos on You Tube can be tracked down and analyzed and most of the good ones are videoed by individuals who care rather than hoax.

I came across Kevin McCracken clips on his You Tube channel here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/kevinmc360

Kevin filmed these objects, over and over, which seem to form a triangle but are really distinct, separate objects. These light objects are very impressive to me and deserved further study. Kevin had asked for help only a one person replied. You will hear about him in his response to the attack campaign.

I asked Kevin to send me a copy of the original and he kindly agreed. What was very strange in the first clip, other than the objects being strange in themselves, is the part where they go behind a cloud and seemingly stop dead. I know some will say they were hidden by the cloud cover, but I looked over this clip time and time again. There does seem to be some black sky right in the place where these series of light objects should come out. Some of them would have been seen. It is by no way conclusive; but not to be dismissed so lightly. A further study of these objects in the video, has indicated to me that these lights are the objects and are not attached to some larger craft. I took the two clips into an editing program and tried to find one instance where the stars dimmed when they happened to pass in between the lights. Although there was some distortion from bringing the objects so close, I could not find one instance where any of the stars dimmed. This could indicate there were no protruding wings of structures on the sides of these light objects. As far as seeing geese wings, as you can see in the slowed down version (1/4 speed) the only dimming of the lights are caused by clouds or movement of the scope by Kevin. Kevin, as have many other multiple UFO witnesses, was lambasted by the usual bottom feeder skeptics on You Tube the minute he put his experience up. As so often is the case, the emotions these tyrannical skeptics produce on UFO witnesses are not fun. I felt Kevin should have his complete say.

Kevin McCracken 408-839-0578- Oakland California

“I have seen these craft on five separate Friday nights at 10:00 PM. You will have to call me a liar at this point in order for the geese theory to fly. I invite anyone who is serious. To sit with me, just bring your own night vision and video camera. Phone and contact info is at the bottom. You need some skin in the game if you want to participate. Since when do geese or any other animal in the natural world besides man show up at the same time at the same coordinates flying in the same direction like military clockwork? For all you geese chasers please answer we all want to hear your explanation for that. This example reminds me of the North Vietnamese SAM squads commenting that they could set their watches to the American bombing runs. No need to stay at the SAM all day just be ready ten minutes before the scheduled bombing run. This adhered to schedule demonstrates human behavior, creatures of habit and prisoners of time, a construct of man. It also demonstrates an arrogance of the un-touchable.


. These geese chasers bet their whole argument on flapping goose wings. They state you can clearly see them when the tape is slowed down to 25% speed. Geese flap their wings at 2.6 beats per second. That speed is easily recognizable at 30 FPS. If these were geese you could clearly see these geese beating their wings without the aid of modern film editing tools. See the many infrared examples on YOUTUBE of birds in flight. My video’s 05-28-2010 and 06-11-2010 look nothing like the other infrared video’s of birds flying. One geese chaser states that the infrared we observe on the video is stray light being reflected off the soft goose down under bellies from the city lights of Oakland. What complete hog-wash. If you recall there was cloud cover on the night of 5-28-2010 at about 2500 feet over the location of the video recording. That means your geese are big enough and bright enough to reflect not emit light similar to the satellite shown later in the video. Geese chasers with all do respect this is nothing more than fabrication and embellishment on your their part.
If you recall the 5 targets flew well over the cloud cover. Geese fly at between 40-70km/h max straight and level. The speed your geese were flying if at 1000 Meters above camera level was 82.5km/h based on the cloud cover seen in the video 40 degrees/16s.
reference for geese flying speed.


http://elibrary.unm.edu/sora/Auk/v101n02/p0342-p0348.pdf

Now if in fact these were geese at 1000 meters above the camera. With the camera set at an effective magnification of 6X. You would be able to clearly see geese with no second look, no need to slow it down to 25% or 7.5 FPS . Not to mention no sound from them; NO HONKING! I have 40 geese outside my office with chicks right now. They were quite a bit smaller on 5-28-2010. No way was that flock going to fly very high very far with chicks. Geese HONK when they fly. This is an integral part of their breathing and communication. So you might argue these geese must be much higher. That’s why you can barely see their wings flapping or even hear them. Well ok they are already flying faster straight and level than recorded and studied by the fellow above. So how high are they flying? How about Another 1000 meters? We just double the speed of to 164 km/h an impossible speed. At some point geese chasers need to stop wasting my and every body’s time with the bird stories. We have the footage we can count the seconds ticked off on the video. We can see the stars in the background we can count the 40 degrees flown between the stars in 16 seconds to figure speed. No big deal just solve for the triangle right. Yes or no geese chasers a simple nod will do. Aw shucks, I guess so they say. Next thing to do is calculate actual target size based on focal length spot diameter and estimated distance to target which I will do. Just not yet I am waiting for some information from the camera manufacturer. I might add that my preliminary calculations on object size verse camera focal length and image size are quite large and the altitude is very high. I will share the final results when I am sure of the accuracy. My initial reaction to these objects was Space Craft and after all the review of the footage frame by frame over and over. Not to mention 30 years in Aero Space engineering, Debating and taking the attacks from the likes of all the geese chasers, I am going to stay with my initial observation and statements on video and say Space Craft. I am not here to dis-info lie cheat, fake etc. It is very possible that these video’s and others like it are the smoking gun video tape evidence of electrogravitic Space Craft similar to the type talked about by PHD and Author Paul LaViolette.
Here is a few tid bits I found on the subject of electrogravitics read below:


“Retired Air Force Colonel Donald Ware has passed on to me information from a three-star general he knows who revealed to him in July that ‘the new Lockheed-Martin space shuttle (Space Plane) and the B-2 (stealth bomber) both have electrogravitic systems on board’ and that ‘this explains why our 21 Northrop B-2s cost about a billion dollars each.’ Thus, after taking off conventionally, the B-2 can switch to antigravity mode, and, I have heard, fly around the world without refueling.” – Dr. Richard Boylan, Sept. 22, 1997, Sacramento, CA
Antigravity Evolves from Electrogravitics and Subquantum Kinetics
Book Review by Thomas Valone, PhD, PE – Integrity Research Institute – 12/21/08
Starting with a detailed review of electrogravitics and the life of T. Townsend Brown, Dr.
Paul LaViolette’s book, Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion (Bear & Company, 2008)
offers a wonderfully informative description of the science of propulsion generators. Paul
tends to use the terms “antigravity” and “electrogravitics” quite liberally, even when
other terms might be more precise. However, the phenomena that is reviewed in his book,
such as the 2200 newton per kilowatt thrust generated by T.T. Brown’s best high voltage
discs in his report, “Electrohydrodynamics” are quite impressive. Also interesting are the
details about Brown’s later life research into petrovoltaics that include graphs of the
spontaneous voltage (about 300 mV) developed continuously over a nine-day period.
Paul is careful to include corroboration when available, such as the Physical Review
paper by Dr. Elmer Harrington from the National Bureau of Standards that confirms
Brown’s effects on gravitational acceleration and heat generation in rocks.
Paul also includes probably the most scientific review of the Philadelphia Experiment in
print today along with the possibility that T.T. Brown participated in the event and how it
might have been orchestrated. He includes, for example, a summary of Jim and Ken
Corum’s experiments with high-amperage coils around a steel torus that produced a
fivefold reduction in radar reflection and a review of the Hutchison Effect. The evolution
of antigravity research into the black world is given plausible reality with the evidence
provided by several black ops interviews also in the book, as well as quotes from
engineering articles.
While the book returns periodically to T.T. Brown and the asymmetric capacitors that
gave the term “electrogravitics” its birth, the description of the Lafforgue patent
developing longitudinal thrust is an added intrigue. Many readers may be familiar with
Paul’s article on the electrogravitics properties of the B-2 bomber that used to be in my
book, Electrogravitics Systems, Reports on a New Propulsion Methodology, until it was
recalled for its inclusion in his new book. However, in Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion
a lot more detail is revealed making the B-2 electrification even more convincing. A
French astrophysicist proposes the visible luminosity of the craft as proof that it was
being excited by a high-voltage field. Even an online movie and color stills in possession
of Northrop Grumman are documented that provide evidence of the high voltage glow.
With information about an AC microwave excitation mode, LaViolette makes the case
for a 40,000 newton per kilowatt thrust with a million volt potential for the B-2 thrusters,
enough to explain the rumored no-fuel flight around the world.
Probably the most exciting chapter for me was the Chapter 6 description of the
Podkletnov-Modanese electrogravitics impulse generator. It was reported in the Jane’s
Defense Weekly to knock over a set of books at one kilometer distance with a negligible
power loss even hundreds of kilometers away. Paul predicted from his subquantum
kinetic theory that the gravity impulse generator should have no recoil, which was then
confirmed by Professor Podkletnov. His description of the increased punch from a faster
rise time Marx generator seems quite credible from my research into the electrokinetic
equation developed by Jefimenko, which has the same feature and the same polarity
toward the positive pole. However, Paul forgot to mention the most compelling civilian
application for the Podkletnov gravity impulse generator, which is for planetary
protection from killer near-earth-orbit (NEO) objects. Enough evidence is presented in
the book to show that such a generator can maintain a collimated and coherent force
beam for miles with enough pressure to perhaps nudge a large object away from a
collision course.
The book also includes a review of the historic Project Skyvault which is introduced by a
black ops informant, as the first source of information that Paul received about it. It
makes the case for an electrogravitics force developed from nonlinear materials exposed
to microwaves, as well as an interesting description of phase conjugated mirror effects.
One example given is the FASER research performed by Obolensky in the author’s
presence over a period of two years which also included a runaway experiment that
exploded under resonant conditions.”


I began to research into the electrogravitics because the IR brightness seen in my video’s. Geese chasers will ask “Just what could electromagnetism have to do with this topic they ask”? Well everything my fine-feathered friends. Go back and read above.


Question:


What would emit a bright infrared signature besides heat? Answer microwave radiation. If you pull on the Paul LaViolette string you get a whole new perspective. I must thank other bloggers from Casebook who informed me about Paul.


In the future I will do another video with some changes for the better and hopefully answer more questions. When the next video comes out I am sure the various bird chasers will have more to say about Geese. But please all the doubters share with us all how these Space Craft electrogravitic craft or (geese) have been at the same place at the same time on 5 separate Friday nights? We are all waiting for the answer… Maybe to get to the other side they answer. Hmmmm….

Thanks, Kevin. We all read a great deal about how UFO bloggers are nothing more than a un-informed nuisances. But it will be people who will solve this UFO phenomenon question: people like you, the reader, those at casebook, and Kevin. No longer is UFOs data and information in the hands of UFO researchers or the debunkers, now this data is supplied by savvy UFO experiencersrs for all to read and see.

By the way I have also included a clip from a rather recent night vision capture over the famous Gilliland UFO Ranch.
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